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Discourse for Wikisource mailing list


#1

Hi,

Aubrey and Sam would like to try Discourse as an alternative for the
wikisource-l mailing list. A pilot installation is up and running at
https://discourse.wmflabs.org/. There is a separate category for
wikisource-l related discussions on the Discourse site. Members can create
new posts by mailing to wmflabsdiscourse+wikisource-l@gmail.com.

The pilot installation is to test things out. Users of Discourse can
download their posts in a .csv file. Admins can download backups - which
are Postgress database tables. I’m trying to figure out to export/download
all posts of all users. Discourse uses javascript, as does Facebook,
Twitter and many other sites.

For the Wikimedia Discourse installation to be a succesful pilot it has to
be a real alternative for a mailing list like wikisource-l. Users want to
read posts in their mail, and want to be able to reply to posts by mail,
without having to visit the site. Users who have signed up at https://
discourse.wmflabs.org/ will receive new posts by default in their mailbox.
Mail preferences can be individually set. Wikimedia Discourse users can
reply by mail to posts received by mail. Members of Wikimedia Discourse can
mail new posts. Please let me know if anything is missing at Wikimedia
Discourse that the current wikisource-l mailing list does have. Sign up for
an account at https://discourse.wmflabs.org/ to discover the extras
Discourse offers. Wikimedia Discourse users can earn barnstars for example,
isn’t that nice?

Please note that by subscribing to the wikisource-l mailing list your
mailing list subscription isn’t linked to any account at any Wikimedia
wiki, neither is your mail address. For the wikisource-l mailing list you
will have to provide a mail address and after confirmation mailman will
mail you a password. If you want to sign up at https://discourse
.wmflabs.org/ you will have to provide a mail address and pick a password
yourself. Currently their is no link between
https://discourse.wmflabs.org/ accounts
and any account at any Wikimedia wiki, nor is their link with mail
addresses, just like it as with the wikisource-l mailing list. A
phabricator ticket requesting SSO or Oauth 1.0 or Oauth 2.0 can be found at
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124691. Currently there are no resources
available for writing an Oauth 1.0 plugin for Wikimedia Discourse, neither
are there resources available for moving MediaWiki authentification from
Oauth 1.0 to Oauth 2.0. As said, SSO or Oauth is a ‘nice to have’ and
doesn’t have to block a succesful pilot.

Secure communication is a must. The Discourse installation is now
configured to default to use SSL, so you will always see https://.

Here is a short list of places where the Discourse installation can be
discussed:

and of course at the wikisource-l mailing list and at https://discourse
.wmflabs.org/.

Best regards,

Ad Huikeshoven


#2

Thanks Ad, I’ll give it a shot! :slight_smile:


#3

Thanks Ad, this is cool.

So this is set up the same as for wikimedia-l, in that posts on Discourse go to the wikisource-l mailing list?


#4

Hi Sam,

The current set up is that posts to the wikisource-l mailing list should be send to wikisource-l@lists.wikimedia.org, and that posts to the wikisource-l category on discourse.wmflabs.org should be send to wmflabsdiscourse+wikisource-l@gmail.com. In the current set up of this pilot there is no synchronization between mailing list and discourse.

This is almost the same as for wikimedia-l. The current set up is that posts to the wikimedia-l mailing list should be send to wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, and that posts to the wikimedia-l category on discourse.wmflabs.org should be send to wmflabsdiscourse+wikimedia-l@gmail.com. In the current set up of this pilot there is no synchronization between mailing list and discourse.


#5

Oh right, thanks for clarifying that! Makes sense. :slight_smile:


#6

So we can reply here but only other discourse readers will see those replies?


#7

@metasj: Yep, that is correct.

Does anyone know if there is anywhere that indicates how many users are on Discourse?


#8

@samwilson since “views” represent unique users viewing posts, I’d say that there are at least 144 people here (maximum viewership on a post here). I think from privacy perspective, getting the real number is impossible to achieve.

as for @metasj 's question - what I like about Discourse is that there are a few ways of staying on top of something - you can get digests for the general feed and keep track on specific topics while muting others. Much better IMHO, even though when using it with another diverse community that’s less technical, there have been some complaints that the notification method is sometimes confusing.


#9

@AlleyCat80 yeah I definitely agree about it being better to have multiple means of keeping up with categories and threads. I’m liking this a lot more than Mailman so far! (And am inclined to post more here too, which is a good or a bad thing, depending… ;))


#10

Nice to see that other non wiki/email based tools are finally considered as an alternative. Is the pilot just for a few sub-projects or open to all?


#11

Does anyone know if there is anywhere that indicates how many users are on Discourse?

In the top right corner ias a menu (three lines). Hit users and select all time. You will see all users and on the top right the current total.


#12

Ah cool, that’s a nice feature.